In the last episode of “Govt Decides, You Obey” (actually “It’s EASY to Make Shared Misery “Equitable”! – Part 1“). I began refuting Eco-Socialists at Treehugger (TH) who believe that implementing a “1.5-degree lifestyle” is Equitable isn’t “share misery” as I hold.
They NEVER suggest that to solve the Left’s latest and most insolvable issue, inequality, people should be raised up from poverty. They ARE, however, not above using enforced poverty to make sure that each and every one of us is “equal” socioeconomically.
Take from the Rich is their only answer or solution. They won’t accept that LIFE is inherently unequal and keep insisting that they, the Social Engineers that they are, will be the first set of people that will do it right AND do it worldwide.
However, they seem to forget about this graph that really delineates how people think about Government over time (been wanting to use this for quite some time):
Those that have a high trust in Government generally have little to no sense of history and what Government has done in that past.
Those of us that know our history, have studied the history of Government and those that have populated it (especially now) and how they came to be, have little trust in it.
And yes, the more I see Progressives and Socialists and Democrats running it, the further Right (heh!) we slide down that Y axis. But I digress and a prelim example from that TH post comments and remember, these folks are socialists:
One said the system can’t be overthrown as the rich (never admitting that he IS one of the world’s rich) never give up their wealth:
The problem with fairness and being equitable is wealthy and powerful people derive their wealth and power from an unfair and inequitable system. And the wealthy and powerful will fight to maintain the unfair system that gives them their wealth and power. So do these folks [the people that wrote the report the TH post is built around -Skip] have any idea on how you can overcome the opposition of the wealthy and powerful?
Note the reference that capitalism is bad because it is unequal and causes inequities. So does Socialism – just differently but SHUT UP, they tell me. And another complained that, around the WW II time, people just wouldn’t accept what Government “gave them” – how DARE they!
Bill: Just look at history for you answer. Wealth HAS NEVER given it up to any significant degree peacefully. FDR’s mild re-distribution caused a party support reversal and an undo that took approx 40-50 years.
As if he really expected that to fly? Yes, Socialism had been flirting around for quite some time in the early 20th century in America and from both sides of the aisle. In this case, Woodrow Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, and FDR were all Progressives (aka, Socialists in….er, no, not Constitutional clothing because they all hated the Constitution).
I pointed out the obvious that most people still “thought American”:
Because people have this intense dislike of working hard for something only to have Government swoop in and take it away simply to give it to other people.
And watching those in Government making those decisions and carrying them out being exempt from that action.
So, they threw the bums / takers / thieves out. Make stupid decisions, get stupid consequences.
Government, then and now, gave itself special privileges and we can see that easily enough today. It seems folks like Andrew Cuomo, disgraced former NY Gov, can kill thousands by putting COVID patients into elderly nursing homes, and fondle women inappropriately, and have all charges dismissed. That’s just one example. NH Gov. Chris Sununu simply stating that “Public Health trumps EVERYTHING” gave him leave to take away all Constitutional restraints on Government AND remove our Liberties is another. Go ahead and start putting more in the Comments.
My retort holds true – who really wants to work hard simply to have their stuff taken away to give to those that are hardly working at all? Time and time I go back to this but I saw it in real time owning our daycare. Too many people were too comfortable living at a “low status” simply because they didn’t have to lift much of a finger to live at others’ expense. I’m not talking about the elderly and infirm – these were young ladies in their 20s and 30s complaining that Govt wasn’t giving them enough but it was clear they wouldn’t get off their duffs and DO something that was self-responsible and helping their own families THEMSELVES.
And Bill went off the rails:
Fact is you think taxes are great and have provided you with a decent country to live, make money in. No? So you lie off the bat.
Fact is you are only arguing the amount, no?
Or you think we can live well without them?
Wrong person to pick on claiming that I believe in high taxes:
No I don’t and if you’ve actually been reading what I write you’d know better. A limited govt, which I champion, requires far less taxes than the bloated one we have now (NH is pretty well under control except for the pension plan) and I did my part to make sure my town stayed within our family budgets.
If you haven’t looked lately (and I have), the Feds are taking in far more in revenue than even just a few years ago. The problem is that expenditures have skyrocketed with $7 Trillion we didn’t have spent in just the last few years.
And THAT’S the lack of sustainability that will put a stake into the US FAR faster than “climate change”. It is here now and is an existential threat. Debt payment is already the 4th highest line item in the Federal budget and with the Federal Bank ready to hike interest rates, it will only go up.
So Bill, how great of a nation will we be when the entire budget goes for just interest payments??? When all of the social transfer payments (Social Security, the Federal dole) are moved to pay that debt, how great of a nation will we be then?
That’s why I just keep shaking my head concerning the climate apocalypse I’ve been told is happening for over 50 years without it happening and the DEBT CATASTROPHE is right in front of us?
And look who is talking about taxes – you boast that you live extremely cheaply and hardly have to work. Which means you pay next to nothing (or even nothing) and have become a free rider.
And in another comment, I added:
No, not taxes. That’s the LAST thing that makes a country great (unless “less of them” is a large part of the solution).
What makes a country Great? Respecting the Rights of its Citizens and not infringing upon them:
Try the Rule of Law. Try the Right to Private Property. Try the Freedom of Speech. Try the Right of Religious Belief. Try the Right to seek redress of your Government officials.
Shall I go on?
I’ll stop here – and it is a good stopping point. But there is more, FAR more.
Again, I hope that in putting these kinds of posts up, it gives you, dear readers, the idea that you can debate these kinds of folks – and win. Different techniques, different presentation styles – but always bringing the debate back to our basic political philosophies that our Founders gave us. As you can (and will see more), once you do that, you win. Don’t let them manipulate the terms of the debate nor the meanings of words.
Let me know if you’re using them!
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